Following the sun day 2
previous pad from Day 1 on https://taxus.lurk.org/following_the_moon
DAY 2 (12/07/26)
☀︎ Theme |☼ BST/IST(Lon/Ire) |✹ CEST(Vie/Ber/Rot/Bar) |𖤓 AEST(Tas) |꥟ EDT(US-E) |✴︎ PDT(US-W)
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Intro / Warm up (Nancy) | 11:00-11:15 | 12:00-12:15 | 20:00-20:15 | 06:00-06:15 | 03:00-03:15
Low-Tech / High-Life (Aesthetics, etc.) | 11:15-11:45 | 12:15-12:45 | 20:15-20:45 | 06:15-06:45 | 03:15-03:45
Governance Model (Artemis, Luke, Aymeric) | 11:45-12:45 | 12:45-13:45 | 20:45-21:45 | 06:45-07:45 | 03:45-04:45
Break (~gardening~) | 12:45-13:15 | 13:45-14:15 | 21:45-22:15 | 07:45-08:15 | 04:45-05:15
Nursery Garden (What is Next?) | 13:15-13:45 | 14:15-14:45 | 22:15-22:45 | 08:15-08:45 | 05:15-05:45
Outro (Open End) | 13:45→ | 14:45→ | 22:45→ | 08:45→ | 05:45→
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DAY II program [CEST]
Intro/warm-up 12:00 - 12:15
Low-Tech / High-Life (Aesthetics, etc.) 12:15 - 12:45
Governance model (Artemis, Luke, Aymeric) 12:45 - 13:45
Break (~gardening~) 13:45 - 14:15
Nursery Garden (What is Next?) 14:15 - 14:45
Outro (Open End) 14:45 - ...
Anna is starting a recap from permaculture garden in The Hague.
* Embrace chaos
* Importance of consistency
* theory versus practice
* connecting to the more than human world
Nancy welcomes us to Tasmania :) :D
Invites us to come into the translocal space, and think about the files on our machines. Arranged in different ways, to think about how you name your computers, what forms and stories are given to your computing devices, harddrives, SD cards, small archives of presence.
continue this maintenance ritual...
Phase of the Moon:
4 14:38:47
new Moon -
1 23:35:25
continue this maintenance ritual
How do you understand time in regard to the wider environment? We call it sky country, what phases the moon has comes with particular energy. Currently, the last quarter of the moon.
Fresh water comes down from the mountain Kunyani, this river comes onto the river timtumili minanya [missed original name] (derwent) River which comes to Southern Ocean.
motherboards of our computers have at least 66 Mined minerals come from potentially unceded lands
Experiment with maintenance rituals, an imperfect script.
+++PRAISE THE MACHINE SPIRIT+++
+++BLESSINGS OF THE OMNISSIAH UPON YOU+++
[Nancy shares her screen, a colorful terminal scrolls through this maintenance ritual]
Applaus!!!!
Anna hands the mic to Ana!
Question for Bcn and Berlin: balance between low-tech and high -life, experimenting and being creative within constraints. Reference to Aymeric,Brendan, Dusan and Matias-Villa papaer (https://limits.pubpub.org/pub/6loh1eqi/release/1). Degrowth is new to some ppl especially in tech world. What are your thoughts on striking that balance?
rhythm and constraints should not only be in the technological world. They also exist biologically.
In the 90s there was a debate between the virtual and the real. The focus on this made people lose focus on the connection between the virtual and the real. The idea of the materiality of the digital was lost.
Abstraction as distraction from figuring out how to make things creative and fun rather than destructive.
Software bubble in the 80s, overreliance and non-reflection, it burst.
Brendan, core philosophical idea in computing (?) avoid doing actual stuff, avoid the material, outsource
would rather have the material on another continent.
Ana: any example projects that deals with that challenge?
Arne's https://compost.party is close to here (Berlin), a webserver hanging halfway out of a window with a solar panel, it is his old cellphone, put postmarketOS on it, a whole bunch of ppl are using it to host small websites. Nice and effective project that deals with material constraints, shared maintenance and care. Managed to keep going for several years.
Index cards are great for many purposes, same size as punchcards, to 'manage thoughts'
[[punch cards were the size of an 1880s US dollar bill, because it was easy to get boxes and trays for them!]]
👾👾👾Barcelona is having some tech difficulties :')👽 (cyberdemonic possession)👹 haha👾👾👾
Ana: often gets slightly annoying questions about scale when discussing pmc.
Ppl often feel like pmc doesn't deal with larger scale hosting? enough
Berlin: I'm a techy person, i like small websites that display large amounts of data, for ecofinance orgs. We test the limits of how many . Small data, happens inside your machine.
The Dwebcamp here in Berlin, Brewster Kahle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster_Kahle was there (internet archive), support small data librarians (???) the purpose was from Laurie Anderson. Big Science (Laurie Anderson album) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Science_%28Laurie_Anderson_album%29 Trying to be less clever. Saving speed and processing, because we just parse. That way you can have big datasets on mobile.
Question of scaling up, says Vienna, maybe we don't need to scale up. Ana agrees.
Barcelona is audible :))))
There is a lot of aspirational stuff around this.
Tilde servers, a space for play rather than anything serious
We now have opportunity to do thsi fun ludic stuff.
About scale: pmc should not scale. It is not a thing I'm personally interested in. Scale is not just about growing but about growing while remaining uniform. Reference to Anna Tsing (https://scalability.airgallery.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/On-nhon-scalability.pdf)
If pmc is about serving communities we are part of, scale is in tension with that. When things scale, they end up being homogenised or abstracted.
Berlin/Brendan: wave of ppl, especially younger ppl, learning HTML excited about 90s web stuff. Critiqued as being nostalgic, idealising early internet, not confronting questions of equality and access. Legit criticism. But why are they enjoying it though? It is a little bit like gardening. You are litterally digging dirt with your fingers. Not glamorous. But appealing because it's understandable on a human level, you make something that is nice and durable.
Appeal of pmc is because it is nice stuff, understanding it on a human level, its expressive, you make something nice and useful and durable for a small group of ppl. The process is nice.
Nostalgia, Ana says, doesn't have to be negative. Brian Eno line about low-fi, something considered undesirable can become a feature later.
The daily grind coming from corn grinding. Daily tasks.
Nancy reminds of maintenance, the process, when you are doing hands on work, whatever that may be, you can feel the materiality of whatever it is that you are in contact with.
Feeling the quality, the granularity, texture of things, fragility, robustness, the edges.
Ana; and the friction. Some hands up!
Luke/Rotterdam: to attach to lowtech high-life, in R'dam we have developed Prikbord (Reference to https://prikbord.page/), a cultural calendar, to improve accesiblity to non GAFAM infra
+1 to RSS
More and more groups are coming to us. Single place where you can see what is going on in the city. Technically speaking, open web formats, scripts, etc. basic stuff (for programmers). Scale question, and can everyone use this? Depends who is asking. In our case, can it be used in another city for example? Simple, it is working for us and already trying to build it out in other cities. Nothing new technically, people were ready for this idea and wanted to get involved. They answered their own question of 'does it scale'? People just wanted to get off Insta.
Vienna: if you think about a network and distributed system, a lot of the issues from scaling up, is from centralised systems. Diff with decentralised systems, they don't need to scale as much.
Barcelona: overlap with ppl involved in retrocomputing. Q of nostalgia came up early days. Jose said he's nostalgic for certain practices and ways of relating to tech, rather than aesthetics. Nostalgian not being intrinsically bad. Different ways of interacting with tech that have passed rather than the aesthetics only.
SpaceHobo 12:43
We often distinguish "scaling up" (increasing hardware resources in a single system) from "scaling out" (adding more participants to a network of systems supporting a service)
https://permacomputing.net/spacehobo/antipatterns/ [[posted as it touched on the nostalgia issue]]
MSavoritias 12:45
yeah which can end up to "smoothing" out one system to fit many in a bad way instead of being for the people that use it
Ana: if you're building a website for a political party that has a big campaign, but they don't think about the labour involved to maintain, maybe that's not the kind of ppl you align with politically.
- https://neocities.org
- https://tilde.town
🐕BORF!
Bcn: lots of ppl building personal websites, not because they dislike social media, they are getting into new form of social media.
That was a very interesting discussion :) Says Anna (it waaaaas!!!!) and she passes the mic to R'dam---->
~~~~~~~Governance model (Artemis, Luke, Aymeric) 12:45 - 13:45~~~~~~
Aymeric: pmc network and how we ended up here. Connectionto discussion yesterday on the inflation of vocab or lingo to describe other ways of computing. Permacomputing is different.
In a nutshell, you could say that in the evolution of pmc there have been several phases:
proto-permacomputing, - long history of counter hegemonic practices from the 60s manifested into diff shapes and groups. long lineage of movements and practices that resists one size fits all computation, and computation for surveillance. Inflation of terms to describe this counter movement.
Today it is much more powerful to come up with own term than to join an existing movement.
If you're working in academia, industry, it pays off more to make your own.
Individualistic approach pays off. You benefit if you coin something new.
What is amazing with pmc is that a lot of ppl decided to work differently. People decided to not coin their own, and make collective effort to shape something new.
Permacomputing not solution oriented. This openness allows for practices to be shaped continuously.
Practically speaking, connection between permaculture and computing is quite old.
First time exposed to this is the practice of Nancy. Permaculture, hackers, feminism? back in the mid 2000.
To give an idea about that this has been around for a while.
When Viznut coined permacomputing managed to capture some of the history through an appealing term. Instead of reinventing the wheel, creative destruction cycles, let's try to m=join and make smth out of it.
The wiki was started for collective discourse shaping. This is where problems enter.
Who has access to the wiki? Who is able to design the principles? For a while it worked as a closed cabal of invite only. Who is org workshops on permacomputing? If you know you know, if you don't you don't.
Not A Cult! Not A Cult!
Several internal experiment happened behind the scenes
bitrot. closed permacomputing group
attempt to organise access to this platform and shape language of pmc. Other ppl started their own group inspired by wiki. Wanted to contribute.
iffy books in philadelphia was the first one to host meet ups. Since then the first standalone pmc group is the one in Berlin.
The people who originally were more active gathered in a group called bitrot (xmpp chat convos). Brendan part of bitrot. maybe pmc is interesting throug a decentralised approach
<WOOH WOOH for Berlin intitiative >
Pmc could be decentralised discourse shaping. We published
Brewing collective trying to inform other ppl, also interviewing diff groups.
https://brewing.permacomputing.net/
This is becoming big enough to figure out what kind of interesting governance model we could have for this collective approach.
To do smth with a benevolent dictator model works well. When you want to open up to other initiatives, without a framework, it can get toxic and problematic.
What kind of systems do we need to remain decentralised but within the framework of what we think permacomputing should be?
Lens of digital infra (because we like computers a little too much) (and also because sysadmin is hard)
Luke: 2 (imperfect) slides.
Part of Varia. Also working on the pmc wiki, was able to get access easily. Not the case for everyone
HERE IS HOW IT PREVIOUSLY WORKED:
Getting access meant having to know the right ppl, we want to change this. Shows schematic of different groups involved with lots of crying emojis :'(
Before you had to send an email to us, a form, we'd then give you access to wiki, forum etc.
positive discrimination in the early days to work with ppl who could bring a politically engaged direction to the project
You got a yes or you got nothing. If you got a yes, you got into busy work for bitrot. We would make accounts but not for the wiki. You had to bring your own xmpp account, you would get a forum account and if you wanted a website, ssh access. sysadmin chaos.
4 separate processes for accounts, one of them was project. if anything went wrong, back to chaos. and after all that you were still probably not invited to the bitrot chat.
Still ended up with lose affinity, different levels of access and contributions were uneven.
Question from chat: what kind of applications did you reject?
Luke: Very imperfect process, limited capacity, we can't justify it
Based on the contingencies of the day
Full transparency, some ppl got ghosted and it is not good.
Aymeric: depends on mood of the day, who was available to discuss it. One thing we had a rough consensus on: if ew had a sense that someone was missing the political aspect of the project and were into playing with another RPi hooked to a solar panel, there are a lot of groups for that. But Pmc an entry point also. Addressing ambitions beyond the groups that are already aware of what is at stake
From chat: there were not a lot of rejections, form created enough friction to ward of trolls
Anna: the form in itself was a way to see the interest of people, they had to make an additional step so you had to be motivated.
London: when we got more projects had more chance to bring ppl in and have discussions about values and ideas. Helpful for gauging who we could trust and ask to be involved in projects. Also gives a sense of time and availability for projects.
Dirty laundry (aired it!) out of the way, now time for achieved and partially aspirational work:
Individual vs groups not yet figured out
Groups are no longer on the outside. They can apply and get access. Still some moderation chaos. But we developed 'rauthy' funded by NLnet as a single signon system. One username and password.
xmpp is still 'bring your own' to be discussed.
Lots of discussion with Rauthy ppl and forum ppl. We might write something about it at some point.
https://sebadob.github.io/rauthy/
London: Any questions? What do you recommend as onboarding process for local groups, when ppl show up in person?
[losing connection]
When you get an account as a group you can make accounts for your group.
We need to make a proposal on how to make it work. The work we did this year should make this quite simple, and not a lot of work.
Aymeric: 2 levels of onboarding, existing and future groups
untrusem___ 13:12
how many trolls did bitrot see in the communities?
Leeeeeeeeeeeee 13:12
all of this is to provide more access to edit the wiki? or something else? i'm a little unclear on what infra is being discussed
- Answered by crunk-rotterdam:
wiki, forum and also to have your website at "location".permacomputing.net
We need to draft a governance text. This exists in tech spaces/anarchist spaces/etc.
msavoritias has been moderating the xmpp channel expertly and with great care <3
Cooperative Guidelines -> https://codeberg.org/Vojkruco/Cooperative_Development_Guidelines
We will tweak CoC, governance, etc. based on circles model.
toolshed group focused on admin. now london joined helped a lot
we also have beehive, swamp, mayfly, toolshed,...
Question from chat: is this all to provide access to wiki, confused which infra is discussed.
A: wiki, forum, website as xxx.permacomputing.net
There will be a wiki workgroup. We have editing guidelines but they need work. Some parts are stable, updated through edit-a-thon such as design principles, some other parts are more free. There is a workshop part, to share recipes and scripts for education and workshops. Other sections to be invented. We need some methods to organise this, will be done by wiki workgroup.
Decided to prioritise webforum, wiki, as foundational services. Groups can suggest other tings, such as opening up git repo.
Luke shows another slide with a graph, this time loads of stars instead of crying emojjis :D
Another slide shows the 'yay' and 'nay' of bitrot and local groups and the informal affinity between them. We can build a foundation, we don't have to start from scratch.
From informal affinity to international coordination :D crosses out the 'nays'.
Bitrot: Strategic overview, acces to more resrouces, license to set the bar
Local groups: doing cool shit, building capacity and bringing people together.
London asks how do you feel about in person attendance/online attendance in terms of building trust and relations? Can we address this community building aspect to build trust?
Aymeric: we feel good :)
Nancy: come to Tasmania!
We need to have mechanism of commitment, if you initiate new group, there would be a necessity to be present for moderation issues, etc. Not too complicated for current setup. But it would maybe if we double the amount of groups.
There are existing examples of how to deal with this. Alo reach out to ppl in pmc groups that have experience with this.
Luke: Sounds like we are proposing something new, but we are already doing it. We have local groups, we are in an international meetup right now. Some issues need sorting, such as I can git commit and you cannot. Doing lots online, ideally more local groups will form. Things will grow. You hang out, get account etc. we need some agreements to make this possible, to allow others to contribute.
Leeeeeeeeeeeee from the chat:
we had a reporter show up to a meeting and start recording , for example, and then had to ask that reporter to stop and delete . it is technically legal for them to do this in the US , and we had to as a group figure out what to do
Bcn offers help/comment/question: needed space to write in Spanish & Catalan, would you like help to making international multi-lingual work possible? Archipielago ppl also there as Spanish language group.
Aymeric: working with ikiwiki but don't know how plugin works for multiple languages. Conundrum of chosing between adjusting content to local context, or having one central source and translating. [note from notetaker: is it a binary choice though... can co-exist]. We need help with that, no idea where to start with this question.
london: Talking about their calendar project.
holy shiet https://calendar.permacomputing.net coool 📅
d1 slides about infra / "governance" aspirations
https://vvvvvvaria.org/~decentral1se/SLIDES-YEEHAW.odp 🤠
Anna: slowly wrapping this session up, links nicely to session after the break, which asks what is next :)
Artemis from Varia: newcomer to pmc concept, trying to contribute, for this new setup, for migration from old to new setup, single signon account, I will help with onboarding.
>>Everyone who already has an account can expect an email from me by the end of July. We try to do it properly, so patience is appreciated :) <<<
We hope this migration hell will happen until October.
For future accounts, discussion about which model to follow. That's it. Wanted to show my face, It is me who will be mailing :)
MIGRATION HELL OVER!!!
CHIFF CHAFF!! <3
13:45 - 14:15 Break (~gardening~) Anna will show the permaculture community care garden!
14:15 - 14:45 Nursery Garden (What is Next?)
14:45 - ... Outro (Open End)
Mens en tuin in The Hague tour of Annaa was amazing!!!! She invites everyone to come visit.
https://www.mensentuin.nl/
Brendan kicks of concluding session, the Nursery Garden, where you grow seedlings, get new things growing. He invites Vienna and London but also the other groups to jump in.
A lot of groups are working on developing new skills or techniques. London, what are some of those you are developing now? Goals?
London
Alternating schedule of workshops
- linux installation workshops
- Internet and privacy pratices
- informing them about blocking trackers and js
[Mandatory mention - https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock (ublock origin), without this I don't think I would use web.] +1+1
[While we're here: cookie autodelete and privacy badger on top of those!] (I don't see any need of privacy badger if you have ublock origin, having more extensions make your more unique]
NoScript if you're feeling masochistic [umatrix if you know how to dig it out and make it work for you, is amazing] [Ok I have used both noScript and umatrix ( I would actually like that ublock origin bring back the umatrix ui), but using all of them at once is not recommended (tbf, using them together to block trackers and crap is fine, if you need actual anonymity, use TOR on the desktop (mobile version still seems to be fingerprinted reliably) )] { and noscript is the one which comes pre-installed in tor, I have seen people using bunch of extensions in tor, that defeats the purpose of is beacuse now you are more fingerpritable, so please don't do that, use tor with default settings}
- hypervisors, Proxmox, Virtual Machines, commandline interfaces,
- how the internet works, structures, institutions, to create some understanding
- Future plans: more about self-hosting, fediverse (setting up Mastodon instances), fun stuff, like javascript bamzooki (???) creation, installing postmarketOS, Graphene OS, Lineage etc. on phones.
- trying to recover batteries from old vapes
- mesh with radios
- solar power: putting it up in coming months (working on some building related issues)
- getting mudcells working, proto-electric garden (Reference to https://sunjoolee.com/Electric-Garden)
Untrusem:- I would like to mention on the topic of mesh I have been experimenting with https://reticulum.network nowadays
Try to encourage ppl to bring workshops to the group, skill/knowledge exchange within group.
Ana: Repair work is a goal for the future. Shinji has some stuff to share:
Shinji: Introducing themselves ( A media Artist working with network image based approach) compost computer project with Future Everything, server powered by energy from compost heap. Residency to build on top of it, at V2_ (online residency) to create a different version of this micropowered low energy webbased work. Working with Marginal from Bucharest, creating a different microbial fuelcell in Romania. Something similar to solar.protocol but powered differently. What kind of uptime can you have?
Interested to talk with pmc ppl to set up something in London.
Still part of capitalism, using technologies that are part of it, but also on edge. If anyone is interested, in hearing more about it and building something similar, I'm happy to hear from you. Let the group know.
(Shinji: I would like to add the citing sources regarding the idea of peri-capitalism - they were Marloes de Valk and Anna Tsing : https://computingwithinlimits.org/2021/papers/limits21-devalk.pdf / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mushroom_at_the_End_of_the_World)
Adding another project Tsing has been involved in: https://feralatlas.supdigital.org/ ( :) )
https://compostweb.net/ && https://v2.nl/articles/art-of-low-eage
London is on a roll :))) Amazing list of projects. Brendan passes the mic to Vienna. (no pressure lol)
Vienna
Vienna: introducing notion of sufficiency rather than efficiency in web infrastructure. Interesting position here, pmc meetup but no green infra meetups. This is different in other cities. We try to incorparate degrowth perspectives, often missing in other green computing meetings.
Berlin: we are a volunteer group trying to solve the issue of losing our digital heritage from the nineties. We started it in 2020, sharing space with peers interested in same questions. We have tech museums that only archive hardware, but not software. There are art museums that emulate but don't keep the hardware. It's about transitioning into something new. How can we look at archiving as regenerating and continuing. Artists are careful of artworks, questions of maintenance as sustainable practice resonates with me. Connects with pmc. Problem is, either you are archiving, obliged to do things in standardized ways, or you are experimenting. Very binary.
Tereza from /rosa: https://www.panke.gallery/rosa/
Brendan: can you give us a tiny utopian microfiction? A permacomputing example in the near future?
Vienna: repair becomes trivial in the near future!
having something like heirloom hardware... that you make your own, are proud of that, a piece tailored to you, lives a long time, not disposable.
F.E.: Dreaming that the horizon is lightly dotted with DIY kites made from only natural materials. On each kite is a lora radio: https://freddyeee.github.io/Kite-Node/
Nancy: sanctuaries/refuges that don't contain Big Tech, dark sky network tries to do this, having a dark sky sanctuary without satelites etc. disturbing endemic species
Vienna: to have a capability of computing, mechanical like this kind of clock (shows watch).
Nancy: or just feel time, not have the clockwork :)
Michal: not dealing with failed industries is ideal for tomorrow
Kind of sphered where all the kinds of hardware and software guides have come up,
?
Ana: more resistance, 3rd spaces, nature.
Vienna: a computer being optional, online not being default mode of operation.
London: I want the minitel brought back, can we get the calendar on minitel? We can!
Brendan: in France there is still ppl developing for it. There are so many of them, cheap and available.
Ola: Aymeric can you recap the timeline for the migration?
Aymeric: and wrap up at same time! Thanks everyone for joining! Thanks to Ana, Anna, Brendan, Ola for organising all this. Also to Danny, who has set up the stream and webinterface so we could connect. Hopefully we can do this again in the future.
The timeline: we started inviting some representatives of groups in bitrot. 13 actual pmc groups + some of the online groups. In summer we will start the onboarding with existing accounts (with Artemis). In parallel I will work with msavoritias on the governance draft. A fine grained description of what are the boundaries of the groups, how to organise. We will circulate the document and start to work with it, and fine tune as we go. Then we can welcome new groups/ppl without the chaos of before and share this.
Ola: please share events etc. maybe use the calendar!
* Vienna: 13 October next meetup!
* Berlin: let us know if you are coming to Berlin, let us know so we can chat!
* London: we are doing a ??? workshop (see calendar, sorry missed this bit)
* E-Waste Party by Permacomputing BCN
* new york's next meetup is sep 8 with allison parrish speaking on hardware hacking, modding, preserving, home brew and flashing of gameboys
* ttps://theunconformity.com.au/ october 2027 come to lutruwita for this festival will have permacomputing elements : )
* Barcelona - we meet every wednesday at 6.30pm for a couple of hours at https://akasha.barcelona! Join our element or signal chat if you're in the area! https://signal.group/#CjQKILWQIezLRlexBw-8E19YnYTNzlM8Bm4X7ttWIl1v_vvyEhCX5Snk9zZTSZIxobX8W1qj or https://matrix.to/#/#bcnprm:matrix.org. We're also going to be running a "permacomputing drop-in space" at Mozfest in October, if any international permacomputers are going to attend, it'd be great to collaborate! https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/festival/
Websites, projects etc. you want to share with others, ways to reach out/contact
<here?> \0/
Untrusem - https://untrusem.party or https://merveilles.town/@untrusem , I am trying to start the pmc movement in India, and if you like esoteric things, I would love to have a talk :P
Spacehobo/nick (london) - https://teh.entar.net/@spacehobo
Shinji - email at info@shinjitoya.com
bazdark - if people want to get involved with the calendar.permacomputing.net and have their events listed, please contact me at bazdark@pm.me 😁 : )
rory (london) https://hogwild.uk
l03s/marloes - https://damaged.bleu255.com ping me with practices and terms expressing degrowth computing/pmc adjacent ideas!
danny/cmos4040/crunk - https://post.lurk.org/@cmos4040 next event at Varia 17th of July, homemade computer club session 4 on recticulum https://varia.zone/en/2026/homemade-computer-club-4/
anna andrejew (the hague) annaandrejew.com interested in commoning and moving beyond extractivism~
@freddy_e@post.lurk.org , northern Netherlands, organizing meetup/workshops around mesh stuff in Groningen in September
a forward advance notice for those who might make it to Sth Hemisphere oceania area -
https://theunconformity.com.au/ october 2027 come to lutruwita for this a big event will have permacomputing ments or lutruwita/(tasmania) PMC chapter -> esp@autolumi.net
MSavoritias -> XMPP xmpp:msavoritias@xmpp.auringonkukkametsa.social
Fedi -> msavoritias@activitypub.auringonkukkametsa.social (but its on an allowlist contact me on xmpp to allow your server if its not allowed now)
Also https://codeberg.org/msavoritias